Pacquaio vs Bradley—June 9, 2012

You can read some of my previous boxing posts and get a clear sense that I am not a Manny Pacquaio fan.

So I do not cry over his loss to Timothy Bradley on June 9, 2012.

That loss was due to some poor officiating, in fact some completely inept officiating.

A SacBee column today has this:

“After Timothy Bradley’s split-decision victory over Manny Pacquiaoon Saturday, an old friend posted a comment on my Facebook page: “Believing in boxing is like believing in the Tooth Fairy.”

Read more from the Bee here  it has some interesting information and a POV that many will share.  People always wind up with a thought that boxing is fixed after a decision like this one.  This wasn’t as bad as others.

It was clearly Pacquaios win.  He hit Bradley more often, he hit Bradley harder, he on more rounds.  He coasted a little in late rounds and left the fight up to the judges.  This is always a bad decision even when you win.  Because you can easily have a fight that you won slip right through your gloves.

I had the Pac-Man ahead in eight of the twelve rounds.

The HBO ringside expert had Pacquaio winning the fight in 11 of the 12 rounds.  He had Bradley winning just one round, and yet…

The Associated Press had Pacquaio winning the bout by a score of 117-111.  And yet…

As bad as the officiating and the decision was in this fight, it was not the worst that I have seen.

But the decision in this fight was so bad that an Irish betting site refunded the bets as what they have called a “justice payout.”  Never have I seen that happen.

Paddy Power, Ireland’s largest telephone betting service, issued this statement on its blog on Sunday:

It was a result that stunned the world, even by modern professional boxing standards.

Last night in Las Vegas the brilliant Filipino Manny Pacquiao lost his WBO welterweight belt to Timothy Bradley in a controversial split-decision defeat.

With that Paddy Power has rolled out one of our famous Justice Payouts. If you had placed a bet on Manny to win in a pre-fight outright or on points, that money is now back in your account. We Hear You!

Even Floyd Mayweather had things to say about the decision telling the judges to “find a new job’.  But he also reminded people that is was last November when Juan Manuel Marquez had a win stolen from him and given to Pacquaio by the judges.

I feel like Pacquiao won the fight but I am not going to sugarcoat nothing. The last fight belonged to Marquez,” Mayweather said while referring to Pacquiao’s majority decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez this past November. “This one belonged to Pacquiao. I’m calling it like it is,” Mayweather continued.

Boxers are always warned not to leave things up to the men who sit ringside and judge things round to round.  Anything short of a knockout can be judged either way.  And maybe this was just payback.

But he did not knock Bradley out.  He never even knocked Bradley down.

Will there be a rematch?  Apparently in November 2012.

Will both men make a lot of money in the rematch??

Will Pacquaio win the rematch???

Will some people claim that boxing is faked?


Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez: November 12th

Here we go again folks.

Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez

I love Heavyhweight boxing myself.  See my post about the Top 10 Heavyweight Bouts during my lifetime.

But I have enjoyed quite a few lower weight-class boxers, especially these two fighters.

They ave had two very good bouts and their 3rd fight shoud be just a good.

And then we had the recent Mayweather vs Ortiz.  What a strange bout that was.

Read my post after the fight HERE.

And my thoughts before that bout are HERE.

If Pacquiao loses this weekend, getting Mayweather to fight him will be difficult.

First bout:          a tie

Second bout:     a win for Pacquiao

You could tip the card in either direction for both fights as far as I am concerned.

The difference?  I think the difference in both fights were the knockdowns by Pacquiao.  He knocked Juan Manuel down hard in both fights.  I really thought the first fight was over & done with after 3 knockdowns in the first round.

How did Marquesz make it back in that fight?  Hell if I know.

And Manny’s win in the 2nd fight, I just don’t know.  I had Marquez ahead but it was so tight—-again.  And with the knockdown I can see giving it to Pacquiao.

So now here we are again.  Will it be the same kind of bout?  Do both fighters have it in them again?

November 12th:

What is it between these two very good boxers?  This was another strange fight, very even—flip a coin.

Pacquiao wins a narrow decision over Marquez.  Marquez supoporters will say (again) that Juan Manuel should have won.  And with one bout a tie (??), PacMan is 2-0-1 in this Trilogy but he could easily have been 0-3 and title-less.

Most of the crowd felt Marquez won the fight and Marquez and his camp certainly felt he was robbed once again.

In a bruising battle against a counterpuncher who was both accurate and fast, Pacquiao needed the final round on two scorecards to pull out the win. He got it, even though a third judge scored the round in favor of Marquez.

As boos – and cans and bottles – rang down on the ring, Pacquiao celebrated another victory and another huge payday.

“My fans are very happy because they thought I won,” Pacquiao said.

“My fans” Pacquiao said, not “boxing fans”.

I am disappointed and scored the fight as a Marquez win.  Close, very close.

Don’t be a counter puncher in against a world-wide sensation.  you have to take control of the fight.

Actually Marquez surprised everyone and he DID take control.  That is why I had Marquez down as the winner here.

Marquez punished Pac and kept him at bay all thru the fight.  Marquez by 2 points like 114-112.

November 14th:

Good job here of breaking down the unofficial scorecard of HBO judge Howard Lederer with a focus on “effective aggressor”.

Yes, the author(from the excellent boxing media Bad Left Hook,  did judge his own card as 116-112 Marquez.  But he does a very fair and valid effort reviewing the HBO judge’s card.

We’re told so frequently by Lederman about the criteria for judging fights: namely, effective aggression; defence; clean, hard punching; and, the ever-elusive ring generalship. Indeed, these are the principles upon which Lederman based his 116-112 scorecard for Pacquiao. However, looking at what each category really means, I find it particularly hard to see how his arguments were truly applicable to this fight…

…Taken from the Compubox website, I’d like to cite these statistics: “Since meeting Marquez (in 2008), Pacquiao averaged 79.2 punches per round, of which he landed 34 percent. That percentage was a mixed bag, for while his jab remains inaccurate (4.0 of 30.9, 13.1 percent), his power punching more than made up for it (22.9 of 48.3, 47.5 percent).” Fights which occur at Pacquiao’s speed see him throwing upwards of 950 punches. On Saturday night, he was limited to 560 over the entire fight.”

Read the article at the link above.  Regardless of who you think won this fight the article is well worth a read.

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Victor Ortiz: Leading Up To The WBC Welterweight Title And Round By Round

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Floyd “Money”
Mayweather Jr. vs Victor Ortiz, September 17, 2011.

Get ready, the best boxing match of 2011 may be ready to take the bell!!!!!

You already know I have always been a big traditional boxing fan, even though the Mixed Martial Arts thing has grown on me and I can certainly appreciate the skills of the fighters.

That is why I am so looking forward to watching the bout between Floyd Mayweather Jr and Victor “Vicious” Ortiz at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on September 17, 2011.  This match is for the WBC Welterweight Title.

Do you like Heavyweights too??  See my post on my Top Ten Favorite Heavyweight Boxing Matches Of All Time here.

Still, it is boxing in its straight up format that I love.  It truly is an art, although I have to admit I enjoy a good old-fashioned slugfest too, even when the boxers lack skills other than a strong chin and a strong punch.

Although Floyd Mayweather Jr and Victor Ortiz are not heavyweight boxers by definition, they are both skilled professionals with heavy punching power.

Mayweather is a boxing master, with an unbeaten record of 41-0, while Ortiz is the fighter who holds the WBC Welterweight belt and has a 29-2-2 record. Ortiz is a southpaw and Mayweather beings his excellent defensive skills with him which always befuddled Ortiz.

For those who may not have watched the HBO series 24/7:  Mayweather vs Ortiz, you missed Mayweather (“Money”) and his relationship with 50 Cent.  Fun stuff.  50 Cent passing out family relationship wisdom and words of advice to Floyd Mayweather.  Can it help with Mayweather’s training?

September 16th:  Mayweather and Ortiz both weighed in today.  Mayweather at 146.5 while Ortiz weighed 147 which is the welterweight limit.   There was a bit of last-minute trash talk at today’s weigh-in.

While Mayweather says he is totally focused on Ortiz, he continues to talk “Pacquiao“.  Mayweather is known for his boasts of being a boxer with an unbeaten record in 41 fights and declaring himself perhaps the best boxer…..ever.  But the dream bout is certainly Pacquiao. He really wants that fight, and it would be a top bout of two unbeaten boxers.


Update September 20th:

Today Larry Merchant, the HBO fight announcer/colog guy said Mayweather would be the favoriate against Pacquaio.  Course the 80 year old Merchant was the one that said “If I was 50 years younger I would kick (Mayweather’s) ass”.  Right Larry, right.

If you read his full quote here, you will see he said something very convoluted so it is difficult to determine who he actually thinks would win.

Maybe he should say “If I was 50 years younger I would make a hell of a lot more sense”.


What are the dudes in the barbershop sayin?

Mayweather must first get past Ortiz and he cannot take this young champion lightly.

Mayweather is 34 years old , while Ortiz seems just a baby at 24.  But Ortiz’s record and his WBC Welterweight belt speak for themselves.  This man can fight, and Mayweather may have a real bout in front of him tomorrow.  Ortiz has 22 knockouts in his career.

Ortiz even claims that all the boxers Mayweather has fought were “on their way out”.  That is truly calling into question Mayweather’s manhood and questioning his legacy.  Not something I would want to do as I walk into the ring with this boxing machine.  Be careful, because not only is Mayweather undefeated…he will knock you out.  As he has done in 25 of his 41 fights.   And Mayweather has claimed “this fight will NOT go the distance.”

Mayweather is fond of saying “If you think you are the best, take the test”.  Ortiz has said he is going to “teach” Mayweather how to fight.  Might be difficult given Mayweather’s unbeaten record.

Currently, Mayweather is the WBC Emeritus World Super Welterweight Champion.[7] He was formerly rated as the “number one” pound-for-pound best boxer in the world by most sporting news and boxing websites, including The Ring,, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, BBC Sports and Yahoo! Sports

So who will come away with the victory on Saturday night??

Mike Tyson says “Everyone has a plan …..until he gets hit”.

This is actually  a tough one.  I am a Mayweather fan.  He can box, he can still move at 34 and damn can he hit hard.

Ortiz has a punchers chance which means he needs some luck to win this fight.

However, Ortiz is young and damn can he hit hard.

Get the idea?  These are both boxers in every sense.  But when one boxer gets hit hard by their opponent, boxing skills often get forgotten because all you want to do is hit back.  And you want to hit back HARD!

So what starts out as a boxing match where you expect to see all the traditional skills on display quickly becomes a smash-up hit em hard nose-to-nose brutal war.

In a boxing match I pick Mayweather.  In a war…against any other opponent I would pick Mayweather.

Against Ortiz? Well, oddsmakers say Mayweather. But…..

I don’t the fuck know.  It will come down to a strong chin and conditioning.  While Ortiz is a top welterweight and now holds the WBC belt in this class,  he is actually a light-heavyweight and had to drop weight to come down to the welterweight level.  That can take a lot from a fighter.  Still he is a strong young man, and he youth counts for a lot here.

With Mayweather, it is the pride.  Both fighters talk trash and it got a little rough, but that’s mostly just the show.  In this match however, Mayweather really feels the Ortiz camp has disrespected him.  Ortiz’s vow to ‘teach’ Mayweather something.  And then Ortiz’s manager told a newspaper that Mayweather has “psychological problems”.  The reason?  Because Mayweather has a big house and a collection of 16 cars.  So you can understand Mayweather will not be happy when he enters the ring.

Someone is going to get knocked out on Saturday night.

Mayweather is a 5-1 favorite in the Vegas sports books at fight time.

Watch it on HBO PPV for $69.95 or watch the undercards via live stream on and some other providers (at least one requires you to install their own software.  Strange.) until the main event, although one says they will show the main bout for free.

Or go watch the fight in a bar/sports bar/friend’s house that will be showing the fight for free or cheap cheap.

I haven’t see any ads for the are sports bars, but you can try:

Bisla’s Sports Bar 7042 Folsom Blvd

Blue Cue 2730 J St

The Coconut Grove Sports Bar & Grill 106 J St in Old Sacramento

Hoppy Brewing Company 6300 Folsom Blvd

MVP Sports Grill 2110 L St

Riverside Clubhouse 2633 Riverside Blvd

Folsom Lake Bowl 511 E. Bidwell in Folsom

Davis Graduate 805 Russell Blvd in Davis

The Purple Place 363 Green Valley Rd in El Dorado Hills

More sports bars here.

This article asks “would you pay $69.95on PPV to watch Mayweather get knocked out?  So would I”. 

But they expect a boring fight and say don’t waste your time or your money.  I agree the price is way too steep, but I don’t think it will be boring.  Then again, few boxing matches have bored me especially with two of the sports top fighters.  Hard to trust online pools, but this one says 97% would not spend the money.

My pick is…..Floyd Mayweather Jr.  Pride over youth.  Hang onto your hat boys and girls, this will be a fight.
Ortiz is dead in the water b4 the first bell is rung.  Unless he gets lucky with a heavy punch.

Who do you think will win?  And why??  Put your comments here and put up your dukes!!!

Fight Results:

Round 1:      Mayweather wins  10-9

The LA Times is providing live round by round updates.  Click here to follow their coverage.

Round 2:       Mayweather wins 10-9

Round 3:       Mayweather wins 10-9

Mayweather wins the early rounds with his speed and counter-punching.

“Mayweather consistently beat Ortiz to the punch, and his experience and hand speed appeared to be the difference.”

Round 4:       In Round 4 Ortiz appeared to rally a bit until a truly bizarre series of events unfolded and Mayweather knocks out Ortiz in Round 4

In (Round 4) Mayweather got a (head) butt, a kiss and a hug–all from Victor Ortiz.”  From an ESPN article, just click the quote for more.

Apparently a bizzare Round 4 (I have not seen it yet) as Ortiz purposely headbutted Mayweather.  The ref broke the fighters up, subtracted a point from Ortiz  and as they came back together, Ortiz once again leaned his head into Mayweather.  Ortiz says he was trying to apologize for the head butting Mayweatherintentionally.  Mayweather unleashes a left/right combination, knocking Ortiz out.  The ref it seems (according to the article) did not even see the KO (??), but the picture below seems to tell a different story.

It was a strange, but legal knockout by Mayweather and a very strange end to a bout in which Mayweather was dominating the action as early as it was in a fight that was scheduled for 12 rounds.

Mayweather improves his record to 42-0 with 26 KOs and gains the WBC Welterweight title.

Ortiz drops to 29-3-2 and loses his WBC title.

From the LA Times:

Ortiz got $2 million for his part in this and said, somewhat lamely afterward, “You can look at this a couple of ways. One is that I came to entertain the fans, and I did that.”

Mayweather earned some $25 million for the fight and declined an interview with HBO’s Larry Merchant.  “Mayweather suggested Merchant just talk to Ortiz “since you’ve never given me a fair shake.” He then used an expletive and questioned Merchant’s knowledge of the sport, to which Merchant replied, “If I was 50 years younger, I’d kick your [rear].”

The KO:

Media Take Out has a bunch of photos from the fight, including this one:

Want to see more of what I have to say about this fight???  Click here.

Updated September 18th:

On a possible rematch with Mayweather: “I would love the rematch, because you know, I fouled Floyd, and I apologized in the ring, and apologized after the fight as well. Just heat of the moment. It’s one of those things where the ref was in the middle, and they called the break as well, and he caught me after the ref caught me (?). And I guess to a sense, it’s a payback but I agree to disagree, I’d like the rematch, though, it’d be a nice one. … … I do want the rematch, and I’m sure Floyd will give it to me. Well, I  hope, anyways.”

Victor Ortiz is a MAN.  He stepped up after the fight, I give him that.  I gots new respect for the man.

Update September 20th:

Today Larry Merchant, the HBO fight announcer/colog guy said Mayweather would be the favoriate against Pacquaio.  Course the 80 year old Merchant was the one that said “If I was 50 years younger I would kick (Mayweather’s) ass”.  Right Larry, right.

If you read his full quote here, you will see he said something very convoluted so it is difficult to determine who he actually thinks would win.

Maybe he should say “If I was 50 years younger I would make a hell of a lot more sense”.